Renault 19 16S Turbo made in Brazil

renault19_16S_Brasil · za 2 okt 2004 6:37

Hello Guys..
Im finish my engine F7P 1.8 16S Turbo.
Look the last photos, more photos in my site http://www.renaultclub.com.br found in howto forum.

Brazilian Turbine Master Power .42/.49 with wastegate
[img]http://www.renaultclub.com.br/modules/c ... CF0211.JPG[/img]

My engine engineer - Bambam and yours creator!!/b]
[img]http://www.renaultclub.com.br/modules/c ... CF0212.JPG[/img]

Motor F7P Turbo from Brazil project
[img]http://www.renaultclub.com.br/modules/c ... CF0216.JPG[/img][/img]

Calle · za 2 okt 2004 6:54

That's a nice looking piece of engineering, but is that construction going to fit in the car? I'd love to see it installed, with all the pipes for the air, the intercooler etc. Keep up the good work!

renault19_16S_Brasil · za 2 okt 2004 7:03

Hi Calle, yes it goes to fit, I struck a little the safe of the engine to fit the turbine. ehee. A little. its a good service !!!

After In post a new photos the safe.

Igor

renault19_16S_Brasil · za 2 okt 2004 7:04

ehehe Im promesse. I will make a video of my engine. hhee ..

Maik (WOOFER) · za 2 okt 2004 8:13

Wow that looks really great

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Good work overthere

Martijn. · za 2 okt 2004 12:01

i wanna see the pictures when you'r going to fit it in your R19, Jeroen.k says it doesn't fit.

jeroen.k · ma 4 okt 2004 8:37

Martijn. schreef:i wanna see the pictures when you'r going to fit it in your R19, looks like it doesn't fit.

Hey, I told you that

I took a look at how the outlet manifold is placed in my 19 (and Martijn his 19

) There is very little space between the manifold and the "shutboard" of the car. Now you almost have te make a hole in the shutboard to make it fit. Then the engine will move a little when yougive it full trottle. Then the enginge will come closer to the shutboard and you got serious damage.

Various company's (like http://www.k-tecracing.com ) sell turbo-manifolds witch are smaller then the original manifold. Why not use a similar to that one.

I also heard that the outlet manifold of a volvo turbo should fit the enginge, but I'm not sure (never tried).

I sure hope it fits

Anonymous · ma 4 okt 2004 11:51

Why don't you make a knock in the "schutboard"?

Menno · ma 4 okt 2004 16:09

jeroen.k schreef: I also heard that the outlet manifold of a volvo turbo should fit the enginge, but I'm not sure (never tried).

No, doesn't fit.

renault19_16S_Brasil · wo 6 okt 2004 6:54

Hi Guys.. I make a New Hole in my safe.
look

[img]http://www.renaultclub.com.br/modules/c ... CF0228.JPG[/img]

With a this new space My turbine is fit !!!
This weekend I will post a engine mount in car.

Igor

Abel · wo 6 okt 2004 7:12

Hello. Nice project, but i have some questions

do you have somthing to protect the car from te heat that radiates from the turbo?

and is your turbo welded to the mainfold?? if yes, are you not affraid that the welding wil break?

And how did you lower the compression?

renault19_16S_Brasil · wo 6 okt 2004 8:04

Abel schreef:Hello. Nice project, but i have some questions

do you have somthing to protect the car from te heat that radiates from the turbo?

and is your turbo welded to the mainfold?? if yes, are you not affraid that the welding wil break?

And how did you lower the compression?

Hi Abel,
1- Yes, The turbine is welder to the manifold.
2- I will go to cover the brake and the safe with termica blanket, and will cover the turbine too with termico insulator
3- Im lower the compression changed piston and knuckle. (undestand) ?? My tax is 6,5:1 and Im use Alcoll Fuel

Igor

Turbine is welder to the manifold
[img]http://www.renaultclub.com.br/modules/c ... CF0211.JPG[/img]

NEw Piston and Knuckle by VW AP 2.0 82,5mm
[img]http://www.renaultclub.com.br/r19/usuar ... ase3_2.JPG[/img]

My new TAX the piston is 6mm under block.
[img]http://www.renaultclub.com.br/r19/usuar ... ase4_2.JPG[/img]

renault19_16S_Brasil · ma 11 okt 2004 7:40

Martijn. schreef:i wanna see the pictures when you'r going to fit it in your R19, Jeroen.k says it doesn't fit.

Hey Martijn
Its FIT !!! Look ! Under my car..

[img]http://www.renaultclub.com.br/modules/c ... CF0271.JPG[/img]
This week, I will make a new scape 3'' !!!

and Over my car

[img]http://www.renaultclub.com.br/modules/c ... CF0277.JPG[/img]
This Week, I will make a pressure pipes..

Matijs · ma 11 okt 2004 7:55

Wow that is a tight fit

I hope the clearances are big enough so the turbo wont hit anything when the engine starts moving when you rev it.
A great piece of work though

And a crafty spot of welding, welding together two cast iron parts. I wonder if that will hold under the stress of heat and vibration...
Did you use special engine mounts to cope with all this power? I understand than the normal R19 engine mounts are allready to weak on a standard 16s, so they might not last very long on a car like this.

Looking forward to the movies

speedline · ma 11 okt 2004 12:36

6,5:1 compression ratio? Even with alcahol fuel this is very low. I suspect even too low. Non boost driving will suffer from this compression ratio.

The turbocharger fit is the worst "engineering" solution I've seen in years. Welding of cast iron? I doubt even the standard manifold will sustain turbo operation.

Air intake in that position is an engine killer. Too much dirt and dust pick up.

Your steering rack won't like a very hot turbocharger (even with insulation) up on top.

It'll probably hold for a while but I doubt this setup will survive extensive operation. Even under relatively light load conditions.

I tried to tell you via PM, e-mail and msn you made a few errors of judgement. But you'll find out yourself. I hope to speak you in a year or so with an update on your vehicle.

PtrGte · ma 11 okt 2004 12:50

speedline schreef:6,5:1 compression ratio? Even with alcahol fuel this is very low. I suspect even too low. Non boost driving will suffer from this compression ratio.

The turbocharger fit is the worst "engineering" solution I've seen in years. Welding of cast iron? I doubt even the standard manifold will sustain turbo operation.

Air intake in that position is an engine killer. Too much dirt and dust pick up.

Your steering rack won't like a very hot turbocharger (even with insulation) up on top.

It'll probably hold for a while but I doubt this setup will survive extensive operation. Even under relatively light load conditions.

I tried to tell you via PM, e-mail and msn you made a few errors of judgement. But you'll find out yourself. I hope to speak you in a year or so with an update on your vehicle.

Give the man a break...

okay, there are some things You and I would do different, but at least he tries to manage it...

there are lots of guys in this "world" who only dream and speculate on the "turbo-item" but there aren't many guys who really manage it...

so, from my point of view...good job!!!

speedline · ma 11 okt 2004 13:17

PtrGte schreef: Give the man a break...

Ok, I'll give the man a break and see him waste his money.

PtrGte schreef: okay, there are some things You and I would do different, but at least he tries to manage it...

Why don't you tell him then?

PtrGte schreef:there are lots of guys in this "world" who only dream and speculate on the "turbo-item" but there aren't many guys who really manage it...

True.

PtrGte schreef: so, from my point of view...good job!!!

From my point of view it's wrong if you see fuck-ups in the making and don't point out these obvious mistakes.

PtrGte · ma 11 okt 2004 13:54

[PtrGte"]
okay, there are some things You and I would do different, but at least he tries to manage it...[/quote]

Why don't you tell him then?

I already told him via MSN/PM that it was NOT very clever to built a 2.0 16v from an F3R block...

that's where it started a few weeks ago...

then he came up with the turbo idea...So i helped him with some info on REDUCING CR, but I didn't tell him to set it at 6,5:1 ... and so on...

I think it's a good thing that a few people try to do things that others will never do in their lifetime...so I will help as much as I can in those cases, but if somebody has a different idea of building an engine, then that's all right with me...

PtrGte schreef: so, from my point of view...good job!!!

From my point of view it's wrong if you see fuck-ups in the making and don't point out these obvious mistakes.

I agree that pointing out potential failures is correct, and I will do so, but It can be done in a nice way...

PtrGte · ma 11 okt 2004 14:13

oke back on topic...

Igor...are you sure you are running 6,5 : 1 ???

[5 minutes later]

uhm....oke, i did a little math over here, and the Compression ratio is indeed 6,5 :1 ...BUT i DID NOT calculate with the bowl depth in the piston as i can see on the pictures, so it will be approximately 0,5 lower...

this will result in 6.0 : 1

renault19_16S_Brasil · di 12 okt 2004 5:52

Speedline,
At no moment Patrick said I to make my engine with 6,5:1 or 6:1. !!

If you find that she goes to be bad my engine! he waits to see the video and the test in the dynamometer.

If you finds that the things have that to be default. I'm NOT.
I and my preparador of my engine, we find that it must have this tax of compressao, to be able to use to 1,5bar in the turbo! This my turbine is special! thing that nao goes to exist in Holland and no place of the world! therefore Brazil manufactures turbine on order, not uses the standardized things equal ai. We are a very different people of the remaining portion of the world where we create, we innovate and we to perfect the things.
I am very grateful to Patrick for the tips that it gave to me on engine F7P! and I mounted turbo in my 1,8 Exactly engine F7P 16V.

Patrick, very obliged for the tips that you gave to me, half of the merit of this engine is its.

tks Igor

jeroen.k · di 12 okt 2004 7:13

The Turbo's Used in Holland aren't exactly standard to...at least...the hybrid ones aren't.

You ar going to drive at 1,5 Bar and a compression this low...aren't you afraid you will have no power in low rpm (low compression and none or not much turbopressure.) and only a peak of power at a short range of rpm? Because the Turbo spins at a high pressure...

What did you do to upgrade the brakes and supspension of the car?

renault19_16S_Brasil · di 12 okt 2004 7:25

jeroen.k schreef:The Turbo's Used in Holland aren't exactly standard to...at least...the hybrid ones aren't.

You ar going to drive at 1,5 Bar and a compression this low...aren't you afraid you will have no power in low rpm (low compression and none or not much turbopressure.) and only a peak of power at a short range of rpm? Because the Turbo spins at a high pressure...

What did you do to upgrade the brakes and supspension of the car?

Sure, I put brakes more big and Brembo. My suspension I put another spring more low in Front and Read I will low too.

This turbine goes to give to be able to me in LOW and HIGH RPM. I already had thought about this. Accurately one of the reasons that I ordered to make the special turbine. I go to see if I find the map of the turbine and rank in the site

jeroen.k · di 12 okt 2004 8:53

I sure am curious about your dynojet spin!

That will prove your engine's capability...

Also I hope for you that it lasts for quit a time!

renault19_16S_Brasil · di 12 okt 2004 9:00

jeroen.k schreef:I sure am curious about your dynojet spin!

That will prove your engine's capability...

Also I hope for you that it lasts for quit a time!

Ok I will post..
When I mount all pieces..

Igor

Daniël W. · di 12 okt 2004 13:52

renault19_16S_Brasil schreef:If you find that she goes to be bad my engine! he waits to see the video and the test in the dynamometer.

If you finds that the things have that to be default. I'm NOT.
I and my preparador of my engine, we find that it must have this tax of compressao, to be able to use to 1,5bar in the turbo! This my turbine is special! thing that nao goes to exist in Holland and no place of the world! therefore Brazil manufactures turbine on order, not uses the standardized things equal ai. We are a very different people of the remaining portion of the world where we create, we innovate and we to perfect the things.
I am very grateful to Patrick for the tips that it gave to me on engine F7P! and I mounted turbo in my 1,8 Exactly engine F7P 16V.

Patrick, very obliged for the tips that you gave to me, half of the merit of this engine is its.

tks Igor

renault19_16S_Brasil schreef:Speedline,
At no moment Patrick said I to make my engine with 6,5:1 or 6:1. !!

renault19_16S_Brasil schreef:Im lower the compression changed piston and knuckle. (undestand) ?? My tax is 6,5:1 and Im use Alcoll Fuel

I think you're misunderstanding the point that speedline's trying to make...the fact that you're using the standard exhaust manifold and the unfortunate position the turbo is in he's only pointing out major engineering faults in this turbo'd NA engine...it surprises me you're still using the standard manifold instead of welding a new one...including the fact you welded the turbo straight on! You could have at least made a flange; that alone would have upped reliability. I'm not sure how long this'll hold at 1.5Bar.

I don't see why you don't turn to the States for something like this...they're lightyears ahead of pretty much anybody but Japan as far as goes turbo'ing NA cars...just a thought of course.

This doesn't hide the fact you're working on a very interesting project; it's just a shame that you dispose of any form of criticism as a personal attack on 'Brazilian creative and perfectionistic innovators'

http://www.homemadeturbo.com/turbo_proj ... om-strike/

You might find this an interesting site, good luck.

renault19_16S_Brasil · wo 13 okt 2004 6:45

Ola, AREXSTYLE, I could have done exhaust of the pipe. But I used exhaust the same because they, its very of being well made and very strengthened, is of double air flow, what me of more the force without the gases of the exhaust pipe if they collide in exhaust. I am developing one exhaust new to vender in a kit that I am mounting, I will mount in another engine and I will measure in the dino which exhaust is better. I made of proposito the 6,5:1 tax! to use alcool. Therefore he is very cheap in Brazil.

Igor

renault19_16S_Brasil · vr 29 okt 2004 7:51

Hei Guys.. Look ! Im Finished..

[img]http://www.renaultclub.com.br/r19/usuar ... se5_01.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.renaultclub.com.br/r19/usuar ... se5_02.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.renaultclub.com.br/r19/usuar ... se5_03.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.renaultclub.com.br/r19/usuar ... se5_04.jpg[/img]

This with 0,5 bar of pressure to soften the engine.

Igor..

Merijn · vr 29 okt 2004 7:52

And now I think everybody wants to know: HOW DOES IT RUN!?

renault19_16S_Brasil · vr 29 okt 2004 8:21

Hi guys.. The topspeed with 0,5bar is 240km/h in Painel of my car..
Next month, Im up 0,5bar for 1,5bar. put intercooler and messure in dyna..

Igor

Erik Olijnsma · vr 29 okt 2004 15:14

Can you show movies how it runs? I am very anxious!

Robert Turbo · vr 29 okt 2004 15:20

Erik Olijnsma schreef:Can you show movies how it runs? I am very anxious!

Anders ik wel.

Show us movies.

Menno · vr 29 okt 2004 16:02

Nice job!

PtrGte · vr 29 okt 2004 16:34

I think your one of the fastest turbo-builders in the world...starting with NO-knowledge and within a few weeks your car is finished!!!

nice work man!

renault19_16S_Brasil · wo 3 nov 2004 9:39

PtrGte schreef:I think your one of the fastest turbo-builders in the world...starting with NO-knowledge and within a few weeks your car is finished!!!

nice work man!

I have that to be thankful Patrick ! Tks For all having helped to construct this engine.

Igor
Renault 19 16S Turbo

Maik (WOOFER) · wo 3 nov 2004 9:44

Wow really nice job mate!